Do I need to Upgrade?

[mtuggle86]

Heres my laptops Specs its a few years old Im worried about its Graphics Card not being able to run the game decent.

BTW this is on vista 32-bit

Processor AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-60, 2000 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 3.00 GB
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M
250GB Hard Drive
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[roadweasel]

you should be ok.

[Pie]

GPU is a bit slow but should still be more than enough. Laptop upgrades are crazy expensive though. I have an Alienware Area 51 that I payed $3,000 for brand new, sitting in my closet just because it would have cost $1,500 to upgrade to what I have in my desktop. (Which I built two years ago for $700 and it still keeps up with most of the newest titles.)

[mtuggle86]

GPU is a bit slow but should still be more than enough. Laptop upgrades are crazy expensive though. I have an Alienware Area 51 that I payed $3,000 for brand new, sitting in my closet just because it would have cost $1,500 to upgrade to what I have in my desktop. (Which I built two years ago for $700 and it still keeps up with most of the newest titles.)

I dont play computer games much except RTS games. Those dont need such a good GPU Ive read the 7150m is good for a IGP so I hope it runs good
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[cobra96]

u should be good...i believe i had about the same mobile GPU and it handled games pretty good...i had a mobile 9 series though i believe and it handled Fallout 3 on low settings with a little lag...still playable...i would be sure to make sure u still have good ventilation when playing games on a laptop becuz cooling is always a problem with laptops

[mtuggle86]

I have a cooling pad which seems to work good although I leave my laptop on 24/7 which isnt great for it im sure
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[cobra96]

as long as ur not running resource intensive programs then it wont get real hot...i remember while playing fallout 3 on high settings on another laptop it would get about 90c which is HOT! thats y i stay away from laptops for games and stick with a desktop

[Pie]

as long as ur not running resource intensive programs then it wont get real hot...i remember while playing fallout 3 on high settings on another laptop it would get about 90c which is HOT! thats y i stay away from laptops for games and stick with a desktop Ouch 90c is cooking.

[cobra96]

yeah but it ran like a champ lol...premature wear though...laptops = bad cooling because all these hardware pieces are packed into this tiny little case...thats y i say if u want to do some gaming go with a desktop...its way cheaper to cool a desktop and way more efficient

[Pie]

yeah but it ran like a champ lol...premature wear though...laptops = bad cooling because all these hardware pieces are packed into this tiny little case...thats y i say if u want to do some gaming go with a desktop...its way cheaper to cool a desktop and way more efficient
My case is never above 35c. Gotta love a Mid-tower loaded with auxiliary fans.

[cobra96]

yeah im gonna build me a pretty good little machine for about 300...wont have a video card but wont have a problem getting that for cheap

[cobra96]

but back on topic...that laptop will probably be a good little machine for this game but if ur gonna be playin this game religiously then i would suggest getting a desktop so u wont have to worry about a lot of heat...heat kills...

and weasel will probably move this thread to the geek forums

[mtuggle86]

but back on topic...that laptop will probably be a good little machine for this game but if ur gonna be playin this game religiously then i would suggest getting a desktop so u wont have to worry about a lot of heat...heat kills...

and weasel will probably move this thread to the geek forums

I can pick up a computer that has a good case with 8 fans in it and a 500 watt power supply the specs are

Pentium 4 3Gigs
2 Gigs ram
Radeon 9600 video card
and a 80 gig hd
It also has a Intel motherboard

A family member owned a computer store and built the computer I know he used very good parts/cases but he passed away in June and Im not really a big computer guy
Would there be any point in upgrading this computer I just want a decent desktop to play this game good and other normal tasks.
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[cobra96]

this would be an ok machine depending on how much ur paying...video card is about a 2002 model so i would upgrade...but im assuming its an AGP instead of PCIe and the RAM is probably DDR and not DDR2 or DDR3 so if u want better performance i would stick with the laptop or buy/build a new one

[mtuggle86]

this would be an ok machine depending on how much ur paying...video card is about a 2002 model so i would upgrade...but im assuming its an AGP instead of PCIe and the RAM is probably DDR and not DDR2 or DDR3 so if u want better performance i would stick with the laptop or buy/build a new one

Theres no way to upgrade this One? Or would it just be better to buy a mid grade desktop and throw a good video card into it?
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[cobra96]

you could but u need to find out exactly what expansion port for the video card is...old computers have PCI, then it was AGP, then PCIe, and now PCIe2.0...if it has a PCIe port in it then i would keep it...anything under that i would just build a new one...if the RAM is DDR i would definitely upgrade to a new computer...that computer is dated with hardware from the MCO days :D at least thats what im assuming...u would really need to find out everything about the computer before i can give an accurate suggestion instead of guessing about the exact hardware

[mtuggle86]

you could but u need to find out exactly what expansion port for the video card is...old computers have PCI, then it was AGP, then PCIe, and now PCIe2.0...if it has a PCIe port in it then i would keep it...anything under that i would just build a new one...if the RAM is DDR i would definitely upgrade to a new computer...that computer is dated with hardware from the MCO days :D at least thats what im assuming...u would really need to find out everything about the computer before i can give an accurate suggestion instead of guessing about the exact hardware

It was built in 04-05 so Id say its just to outdated to upgrade but it still runs like a champ for surfing online
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[cobra96]

u can build ur own for cheap...id say no more than 400 bucks with it shipped to u...they even have barebone kits so u wont mess up and buy the wrong parts...but like i said...ur laptop is no slouch and will probably be more than enough for this game but with it possibly running a bit hot it wont last

[cobra96]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5279704&CatId=332

here is a link to an AMD barebone kit...all u need is a hard drive w/OS, another stick of 1GB DDR2 RAM, AMD CPU fan, cd/dvd drive, and monitor and ur set

[mtuggle86]

Thanks how good is that video card?

also even if I added 1 gig of ram isnt 2 gigs a bit low?
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[cobra96]

pretty good...i had one in my laptop a year ago and it played fallout 3 on high settings and crysis on high with a little lag

[mtuggle86]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5279704&CatId=332

here is a link to an AMD barebone kit...all u need is a hard drive w/OS, another stick of 1GB DDR2 RAM, AMD CPU fan, cd/dvd drive, and monitor and ur set

Few thing to ask how hard is it to install a new OS on blank hardware?
also what should I be looking for in the HD and Drives. Also isnt 2gb ram still a bit low?
sorry if some of the questions are stupid Ive never built one before
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[Pie]

Few thing to ask how hard is it to install a new OS on blank hardware?
also what should I be looking for in the HD and Drives. Also isnt 2gb ram still a bit low?
sorry if some of the questions are stupid Ive never built one before

It's not very hard to install a fresh OS. You just pop the disk in the drive, reboot the PC, follow the instructions.

Your HDD choice will probably be a SATA interface. It's quick and gets rid of the bulky bands. Optical drives are also mostly SATA now as well. But, unless you plan to replace the mainboard, you will most likely be looking for the PATA style.

2GB of ram is a bit low for new OS's like Vista and 7 which recommend a minimum of 3GB. As I don't see MWO or RTS games being very dependent on ram, 2GB should be ok. I have only 2GB on 7 and it's not too bad.

Check it out, this one "should" work great. Everything "should" be compatible. Searched it out in about 15 minutes.
Under $400 Newegg Build (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=17261688)

[mtuggle86]

It's not very hard to install a fresh OS. You just pop the disk in the drive, reboot the PC, follow the instructions.

Your HDD choice will probably be a SATA interface. It's quick and gets rid of the bulky bands. Optical drives are also mostly SATA now as well. But, unless you plan to replace the mainboard, you will most likely be looking for the PATA style.

2GB of ram is a bit low for new OS's like Vista and 7 which recommend a minimum of 3GB. As I don't see MWO or RTS games being very dependent on ram, 2GB should be ok. I have only 2GB on 7 and it's not too bad.

Check it out, this one "should" work great. Everything "should" be compatible. Searched it out in about 15 minutes.
Under $400 Newegg Build (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=17261688)

That one looks like theres no Video Card or OS with it so Im assuming it would run me another 150-200 to build that?
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[roadweasel]

*moved* to it's appropriate place in the geek cube.

[cobra96]

Few thing to ask how hard is it to install a new OS on blank hardware?
also what should I be looking for in the HD and Drives. Also isnt 2gb ram still a bit low?
sorry if some of the questions are stupid Ive never built one before

thanks weasel...i was wondering what took u so long

what is ur budget mtuggle?

easy to install a new OS...like pie said...put in the disc and follow directions...if u dont already have a hard drive id get a 7200rpm SATA drive...doesnt have to be 500GB or anything unless u just love a ton of movies and music and games...2GB is good as long as u dont have 93 process chewing up ur memory...i prefer running XP so i can get by perfectly on 2GB...but if u dont want to spend money on a windows OS i beleive u can find some free ones until u get the money for a windows OS

[roadweasel]

Slow weasel these days I guess...

[cobra96]

ha naw not slow...u just actually sleep while we stay up to 2am in the morning

[Pie]

ha naw not slow...u just actually sleep while we stay up to 2am in the morning Very true.

@RW - Thank You!

@Tuggz - The onboard GPU would more than likely handle MWO reasonably well. Although I prefer nVidia cards.

You can get a decent GPU for around $60. Buying as new OS though, is expensive. There are alternatives though. You just have to look around for them. :p

[mtuggle86]

ha naw not slow...u just actually sleep while we stay up to 2am in the morning

I would say 400-500 range but if I need to to get a decent computer I could spend more. I dont store any movies and really dont store anything that takes up much space my 250gb hd on my laptop is still 79%percent free and Ive had it for a while
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[mtuggle86]

Very true.

@RW - Thank You!

@Tuggz - The onboard GPU would more than likely handle MWO reasonably well. Although I prefer nVidia cards.

You can get a decent GPU for around $60. Buying as new OS though, is expensive. There are alternatives though. You just have to look around for them. :p

Ive been planning on buying a new desktop for a while now so I just figured I hit you guys with questions while I could
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[cobra96]

I would say 400-500 range but if I need to to get a decent computer I could spend more. I dont store any movies and really dont store anything that takes up much space my 250gb hd on my laptop is still 79%percent free and Ive had it for a while

u can build u a damn good pc for 500 shipped to u...my budget is 300 and im building a pretty decent pc...u wont need a high-end computer for this game...its not goin to be a crysis type of game as far as graphics...what are ur requirements for ur computer? like do u want a big LCD screen or just a cheap tube monitor, or how many expansion ports do u want?

[mtuggle86]

u can build u a damn good pc for 500 shipped to u...my budget is 300 and im building a pretty decent pc...u wont need a high-end computer for this game...its not goin to be a crysis type of game as far as graphics...what are ur requirements for ur computer? like do u want a big LCD screen or just a cheap tube monitor, or how many expansion ports do u want?

Is that 300 for hardware? Im assuming and OS like XP is another 100 bucks on top of that?
My computer will be used for the web, watch movies, store a few pictures, and play a few games mostly MWO nothing special If I could build a decent running one like the one your building for 300 that would be great.

I would like a around a 22inch lcd flat screen give or take a few inchs
Lastly is there any big down side to running windows XP vs 7? again thanks for all the help
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[cobra96]

Is that 300 for hardware? Im assuming and OS like XP is another 100 bucks on top of that?
My computer will be used for the web, watch movies, store a few pictures, and play a few games mostly MWO nothing special If I could build a decent running one like the one your building for 300 that would be great.

I would like a around a 22inch lcd flat screen give or take a few inchs
Lastly is there any big down side to running windows XP vs 7? again thanks for all the help

well for 300 im making a few shortcuts because i have a hard drive with XP on it already and even if i need a hard drive i have an XP disc with one more usable code...plus i was given 2 older monitors...nothing special just a nice screen...heres my picked out setup

Dual Channel DDR2 2GB RAM
MSI G31TM-P21 MoBo
Intel E5300 2.6GHz Dual Core CPU
DVD burner
Mid-Tower case w/ 450W Power Supply
Nvidia 210 512MB GPU

all for under $300

if u went with a setup like this u would probably need an OS for around $100, Hard drive for about $50, and a monitor for about $150...u can find a cheap used monitor though

[mtuggle86]

well for 300 im making a few shortcuts because i have a hard drive with XP on it already and even if i need a hard drive i have an XP disc with one more usable code...plus i was given 2 older monitors...nothing special just a nice screen...heres my picked out setup

Dual Channel DDR2 2GB RAM
MSI G31TM-P21 MoBo
Intel E5300 2.6GHz Dual Core CPU
DVD burner
Mid-Tower case w/ 450W Power Supply
Nvidia 210 512MB GPU

all for under $300

if u went with a setup like this u would probably need an OS for around $100, Hard drive for about $50, and a monitor for about $150...u can find a cheap used monitor
though

AMD tends to be cheap correct? so using that package you showed me last night I could come in around 400 with the fans HD and OS extra ram and disc drives?
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[cobra96]

AMD tends to be cheap correct? so using that package you showed me last night I could come in around 400 with the fans HD and OS extra ram and disc drives?

AMD is cheaper but for a reason...they are not as fast as the intels but they still get the job done...with that particular setup u will need to buy a fan for the CPU, a hard drive, OS, extra RAM, and disc drive yes...but u would also need a monitor if u dont have one already...if u have an LCD TV u could use that as a monitor as well becuz thats what i was going to do when i got another TV...but yeah around 450 or so without the monitor...but there are a ton of other cheaper setups...i believe Pie gave u one on newegg

[Pie]

AMD is cheaper but for a reason...they are not as fast as the intels but they still get the job done...with that particular setup u will need to buy a fan for the CPU, a hard drive, OS, extra RAM, and disc drive yes...but u would also need a monitor if u dont have one already...if u have an LCD TV u could use that as a monitor as well becuz thats what i was going to do when i got another TV...but yeah around 450 or so without the monitor...but there are a ton of other cheaper setups...i believe Pie gave u one on newegg

Yep that was me, There was space to shave prices a bit. You could get a slower CPU, drop the 2nd DVD burner, downgrade to just a DVD-Rom drive, drop to a more basic mobo, ditch the extra fans. Could probably get 300 - 350, tack on a monitor for another 150, add XP for another 100.

I spent 700 when I built mine two years ago. And it's still more than enough for most games. The only one I've really suffered with is GTA IV and that is because their engine is extremely un-optimized.

I like newegg because it's easy to find what you are looking for. I'm sure there are other places with lower prices.

My setup is:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2ghz Overclocked to 2.6ghz
nVidia 8600GT 256mb Overclocked to 8800 specs
80+160GB SATA HDD's
2x Sony DVD+ burners.
500W Rosewill power supply
2GB DDR2 G.Skill 800mhz
Biostar NF61S M2-TE Mainboard
Running Windows 7 64-bit, was running XP x86 until recently.

AMD has greater performance and lower prices for the lower end market.
Intel has the most powerful CPU's around, however, you are going to pay for it.
Also, Intel CPU's tend to run hot so you will need as much cooling as you can get.

[cobra96]

i like to use tigerdirect.com because everything is very organized and its free shipping on most orders...sometimes its the cheapest and sometimes its not,,,but when u talk about free shipping then u will pay a little extra

[mtuggle86]

I took a look at the computer I listed above its is a pci video card

would I be able to use the the case cooling fans and disk drive out of it and just order everything from this kit except the case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5279704&CatId=332
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[cobra96]

I took a look at the computer I listed above its is a pci video card

would I be able to use the the case cooling fans and disk drive out of it and just order everything from this kit except the case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5279704&CatId=332

i would definately use the disk drive, power supply, and even the hard drive just to save money...as far as the case im not sure if its an ATX form factor...if it is then yeah use it but u will still need a CPU fan.

[cobra96]

better yet...what it the motherboards exact model? if it has the proper ports u have nothing to worry about and can just upgrade from there

[mtuggle86]

I didnt check the motherboard model but it was and intel motherboard built in 04
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[cobra96]

hmmm...if u can find out what it is that would help out a LOT! even if u just got the computer for its monitor, power supply, disc drive, and hard drive it would be worth a little bit of money...how much can u get it for?

[Pie]

Only thing that barebones kit is missing is the power supply, a HDD and a CPU fan. If you can get that other PC cheap, it'd be worth it.

[cobra96]

Only thing that barebones kit is missing is the power supply, a HDD and a CPU fan. If you can get that other PC cheap, it'd be worth it.

just what i was thinkin

[mtuggle86]

Only thing that barebones kit is missing is the power supply, a HDD and a CPU fan. If you can get that other PC cheap, it'd be worth it.

Which kit are you talking about?

A couple other things about the computer I can pick up I was looking at the system info it says PEN 4 2.8ghz twice and if you bring up task manager and look a at the CPU performance it shows to graphs does the mean this CPU is duel core? I was under the impression the duel graph for the cpu ment duel core.
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[cobra96]

Which kit are you talking about?

he is talkin about the one i showed u but i guess he didnt realize that it came with a PSU

[mtuggle86]

yes thats what I was thinking I edited my above post BTW
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[cobra96]

Which kit are you talking about?

A couple other things about the computer I can pick up I was looking at the system info it says PEN 4 2.8ghz twice and if you bring up task manager and look a at the CPU performance it shows to graphs does the mean this CPU is duel core? I was under the impression the duel graph for the cpu ment duel core.

ive never heard of a pentium 4 dual core...do u have the computer around and booted up?

[mtuggle86]

No its a my buddy house I say Pentium 4 2.80ghz 2.79ghz then in system information Pen4 2.8 is listed twice I was just wondering I found that weird

Im worried about using the old HD on this computer only because it seems to have a virus that wont go away
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[cobra96]

No its a my buddy house I say Pentium 4 2.80ghz 2.79ghz then in system information Pen4 2.8 is listed twice I was just wondering I found that weird

Im worried about using the old HD on this computer only because it seems to have a virus that wont go away

it might be a dual socket motherboard which means it has 2 processors...if thats the case then all u might have to do is upgrade the video card and add some RAM...im doing some research to see if i can find that particular setup of that computer

[cobra96]

couldnt find anything on it...all i can say is crack that thing open and see what ur dealing with before u make a decision on building a new one

[mtuggle86]

Heres a link explaining its just programed to think its a dual-core
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[Pie]

Heres a link explaining its just programed to think its a dual-core

I was just about to say that. I used to have an old system that ran a 2.93Ghz Celeron D. It would always list it twice.

[mtuggle86]

Few questions are all CD/burners universal?
Also is there anything in general I should be looking for in ram I was thinking I would just go with 4GB ram from the start. What is the difference between 667 800 and 1066mhz ram is this just the speed in which is runs?

Can you guys take a peak at this kit http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5472022&csid=_21
would I be able to just add that geforce 9500GT video card thats in the other kit to this one along with adding another 2GB ram. I noticed the PSU was only 300watts though will that cause problems?
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[Pie]

Few questions are all CD/burners universal?
Also is there anything in general I should be looking for in ram I was thinking I would just go with 4GB ram from the start. What is the difference between 667 800 and 1066mhz ram is this just the speed in which is runs?

Can you guys take a peak at this kit http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5472022&csid=_21
would I be able to just add that geforce 9500GT video card thats in the other kit to this one along with adding another 2GB ram. I noticed the PSU was only 300watts though will that cause problems?

First answer, No. Some will support different disk types. There are also some that cannot do dual-layer.

Yes 667,800,1066 are all speeds but they have to match up with the motherboard and some CPU's require a certain speed of ram. Even some brands will not work while others will. It's best to check the motherboards Qualified Vendors Lists for memory and CPU's. This is basically the main advantage to a bundled kit. Those 3 main things are already taken care of for you.

That kit is pretty nice, and at a reasonable price. You would probably want a GPU though, the onboard 6100 is weak.

[mtuggle86]

First answer, No. Some will support different disk types. There are also some that cannot do dual-layer.

Yes 667,800,1066 are all speeds but they have to match up with the motherboard and some CPU's require a certain speed of ram. Even some brands will not work while others will. It's best to check the motherboards Qualified Vendors Lists for memory and CPU's. This is basically the main advantage to a bundled kit. Those 3 main things are already taken care of for you.

That kit is pretty nice, and at a reasonable price. You would probably want a GPU though, the onboard 6100 is weak.

Here is my wish list I made is there anything you see thats Missing? Also do you see any problems with the video card and cooling fans I picked out as far as being compatible sorry for all the questions im new to this thanks

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp?WishId=CCC7098F-5B4A-405B-8600-D455B3C39868&Desc=New%20computer
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[cobra96]

Few questions are all CD/burners universal?
Also is there anything in general I should be looking for in ram I was thinking I would just go with 4GB ram from the start. What is the difference between 667 800 and 1066mhz ram is this just the speed in which is runs?

Can you guys take a peak at this kit http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5472022&csid=_21
would I be able to just add that geforce 9500GT video card thats in the other kit to this one along with adding another 2GB ram. I noticed the PSU was only 300watts though will that cause problems?

about the cd burner...if by universal u mean will they all hook up then i believe all new motherboards have IDE hookups and SATA hookups...so if u have an older IDE one it should work...yeah just speeds but make sure the speeds match ur motherboard...also make sure the RAM is supported by ur motherboard...DDR, DDR2, and DDR3...also the motherboard may support dual channel and it may not so keep that in mind also

u would actually be payin more buy going that route...and u can find a better GPU than that for just a little more...but yeah the PSU is too low...with 4GB or RAM and a video card u really want to have at least 400...im going with a 450W just to start with...u never want to underpower ur machine




Here is my wish list I made is there anything you see thats Missing? Also do you see any problems with the video card and cooling fans I picked out as far as being compatible sorry for all the questions im new to this thanks

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp?WishId=CCC7098F-5B4A-405B-8600-D455B3C39868&Desc=New%20computer

i love questions so keep em comin...the only thing i see compatibility wise would be that the video card is PCIe 2.0 and the motherboard isn't so u wouldnt be getting the benefit of the extra bandwidth...but i think u can go cheaper and with better hardware...i will search and see what i can come up with

[Pie]

Cobra already said it for me. Lol.

The 9500 is a good all around card. It's a little quicker than my 8600 is in stock form. You will lose a bit of performance running it in a standard PCI-e slot though. Not seeing much choice on tigerdirect though... their PCI-e stock is limited.

[mtuggle86]

Well I was thinking it would need more then 300watts. I found a watt calc it said I would need 387watts :( I was thinking that video card only because you gave it a decent review. I
Any first person shooter will be played on my 360 the only thing that this computer will play is MWO and a few RTS games the most I would Like it to play would be the game company of heros. Knowing that how good of a video card do I need?

I was looking at this kit but im unsure about the video card Ive found a free copy of windows 7 so im gonna go with 4gb ram btw?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5631581&csid=_21
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[mtuggle86]

Cobra already said it for me. Lol.

The 9500 is a good all around card. It's a little quicker than my 8600 is in stock form. You will lose a bit of performance running it in a standard PCI-e slot though.

Thanks about pointing out the difference I didnt realize would it be easy to just use the 8600gt card instead of the 9500gt and add a 400 watt PSU to that kit?
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[Pie]

That 4350 is about equal with that 9500 you showed earlier. Yeah you will need at least 400w. 450W would be even better.

There was an 8600 in there with 1gb of memory in there under the PCI-e section. 8600 is a good stable card. And cheap because they are under rated.

Cards like the 9500 and 9400 are so plentiful because people will run two in SLI instead of dumping more cash for 1 really fast card.

[cobra96]

that setup isnt bad...but yeah since most motherboards that are PCIe 2.0 are kinda expensive for ur build i would just stick with a PCIe card like the 8 series...i put together a nice little setup that i believe will do everything u need it to do and comes in a little cheaper at about $360...i used a 8400 because i couldnt find a 8600...but u could swap em out

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp

[Pie]

that setup isnt bad...but yeah since most motherboards that are PCIe 2.0 are kinda expensive for ur build i would just stick with a PCIe card like the 8 series...i put together a nice little setup that i believe will do everything u need it to do and comes in a little cheaper at about $360

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp

List isn't showing anything...

[cobra96]

i hate when that happens...well here is a picture of it instead :D

http://www.motorworldonline.net/forum/imgupload/uploads/2383aaa8d1ecc67314effa89ef3942cb.jpg (http://www.motorworldonline.net/forum/imgupload/uploads/2383aaa8d1ecc67314effa89ef3942cb.jpg)

[Pie]

Tracked down that 8600 I saw earlier. It's 512 not 1GB But that's not a big deal. Very few things would use that much video memory.

8600 GT (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3433250&CatId=1558)

That 8400 isn't too bad actually.

[mtuggle86]

i hate when that happens...well here is a picture of it instead :D

http://www.motorworldonline.net/forum/imgupload/uploads/2383aaa8d1ecc67314effa89ef3942cb.jpg (http://www.motorworldonline.net/forum/imgupload/uploads/2383aaa8d1ecc67314effa89ef3942cb.jpg)

Few things to ask the that disk drive is oem that means It wont come with the cables to hook it up or install CDs correct? Is the 8600 any better then the 8400 video card I notice the 8600 has a fan.
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[Pie]

Edit: Scratch that, the 8600 is faster

[cobra96]

both video cards have fans but the 8600 is the slightly better card and for 10 more bucks go with it...i made a mistake on the disc drive because its IDE...SATA is faster...but i believe ur right...no cable...heres the one i meant to add to it http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5255085&CatId=1624

[mtuggle86]

both video cards have fans but the 8600 is the slightly better card and for 10 more bucks go with it...i made a mistake on the disc drive because its IDE...SATA is faster...but i believe ur right...no cable...heres the one i meant to add to it http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5255085&CatId=1624

LOL that was the one I was thinking of. Do you know much about the athlon 64 x2 5000? I see its 2.2ghz compared to the athlon 2's in those kits where 2.7 will I really notice a difference?

Oh and also is that gaming ram really any different I see its dual channel is that whats the difference?

Is the any issue with switching cases this seems better for cheaper http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1901962&Sku=TC3J-4050%20P
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[cobra96]

LOL that was the one I was thinking of. Do you know much about the athlon 64 x2 5000? I see its 2.2ghz compared to the athlon 2's in those kits where 2.7 will I really notice a difference?

Oh and also is that gaming ram really any different I see its dual channel is that whats the difference?

Is the any issue with switching cases this seems better for cheaper http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1901962&Sku=TC3J-4050%20P

i had an athlon 2.2 before and it was ok...did what i needed it to do...but i just chose the first combo with a fan...u can get this combo http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5567177&CatId=2417 but would need a fan which would only be about 10 bucks anyways so it costs about the same

as for the RAM its a bit faster and it will get rid of heat better than ones without a heatsink

that case would be just fine...looks better too

[mtuggle86]

i had an athlon 2.2 before and it was ok...did what i needed it to do...but i just chose the first combo with a fan...u can get this combo http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5567177&CatId=2417 but would need a fan which would only be about 10 bucks anyways so it costs about the same

as for the RAM its a bit faster and it will get rid of heat better than ones without a heatsink

that case would be just fine...looks better too

thanks I really like that combo alot with the 2.7ghz processor alot

I was didnt even realize that ram had a heatsink on it
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[cobra96]

yeah its a nice little combo even though i prefer intel...that setup should last u a few years

[mtuggle86]

Ok I think I ve finished putting the package together I changed from the Athlon 2 X2 215 to Athlon 2 X2 240. The 240 is supposed to be the same except double the cache and better for gaming its only 10 bucks more. Also can you take a look and double check this cpu fan will work. Lastly will I need to buy thermal paste and screw to install or will it come with Them?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp?WishId=8A0C7F5B-AA74-4C9E-B2B9-07D96C5B391A&Desc=MWO%20computer
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[cobra96]

Ok I think I ve finished putting the package together I changed from the Athlon 2 X2 215 to Athlon 2 X2 240. The 240 is supposed to be the same except double the cache and better for gaming its only 10 bucks more. Also can you take a look and double check this cpu fan will work. Lastly will I need to buy thermal paste and screw to install or will it come with Them?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp?WishId=8A0C7F5B-AA74-4C9E-B2B9-07D96C5B391A&Desc=MWO%20computer

fan looks good and i would buy the paste and screws in case they dont come with it...better to know than to hope...but that setup looks good...now all u need is an operating system and ur good

[mtuggle86]

fan looks good and i would buy the paste and screws in case they dont come with it...better to know than to hope...but that setup looks good...now all u need is an operating system and ur good

I guess my buddy has a copy of windows 7 I can have
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[cobra96]

make sure its not the upgrade...the upgrade wont install a fresh copy of windows

[mtuggle86]

To my understanding its not but Ill double check Im assuming he is using the same copy windows microsoft has no way of stopping the use of the same disc twice?

Also does this look like a decent set of screws or it there there anything its missing and was that there thermal gel I had in my cart what im looking for.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=31741&Sku=ULT31338
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[cobra96]

To my understanding its not but Ill double check Im assuming he is using the same copy windows microsoft has no way of stopping the use of the same disc twice?

Also does this look like a decent set of screws or it there there anything its missing and was that there thermal gel I had in my cart what im looking for.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=31741&Sku=ULT31338

microsoft only allows 3 registered computers on one windows code...or so i believe ...ill double check

the screws look good...looks to be plenty of them

as far as the gel im not sure what ur askin?

[mtuggle86]

microsoft only allows 3 registered computers on one windows code...or so i believe ...ill double check

the screws look good...looks to be plenty of them

as far as the gel im not sure what ur askin?

Ive always heard it called thermal paste I was just making sure the thermal gel is the same/ as good
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[cobra96]

the gel is not required but it will help get rid of the heat from ur processor...both the gel and paste do the same job...

after searching microsofts website i found this...

Can I use my product key on more than one computer?

You can't use the same Windows product key to activate Windows 7 on more computers than the Microsoft Software License Terms allow. Usually, the license terms allow the product key to be used on only one computer.

If you use your installation disc or a USB flash drive to install Windows 7 on a second computer, you'll need to buy an additional copy of the same edition of Windows 7 to obtain a new product key. For more information, see Get a new Windows product key.

do u know which version of windows 7 he is running?

[mtuggle86]

the gel is not required but it will help get rid of the heat from ur processor...both the gel and paste do the same job...

after searching microsofts website i found this...

Can I use my product key on more than one computer?

You can't use the same Windows product key to activate Windows 7 on more computers than the Microsoft Software License Terms allow. Usually, the license terms allow the product key to be used on only one computer.

If you use your installation disc or a USB flash drive to install Windows 7 on a second computer, you'll need to buy an additional copy of the same edition of Windows 7 to obtain a new product key. For more information, see Get a new Windows product key.

do u know which version of windows 7 he is running?

No Ill have to find out but worse case Ill pick up windows xp
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[cobra96]

yeah its much easier to just have ur own

[mtuggle86]

Man I didnt realize how expensive windows is I thought it was like 100 bucks
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[cobra96]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2552182&CatId=672

[gcountach]

Ok I think I ve finished putting the package together I changed from the Athlon 2 X2 215 to Athlon 2 X2 240. The 240 is supposed to be the same except double the cache and better for gaming its only 10 bucks more. Also can you take a look and double check this cpu fan will work. Lastly will I need to buy thermal paste and screw to install or will it come with Them?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp?WishId=8A0C7F5B-AA74-4C9E-B2B9-07D96C5B391A&Desc=MWO%20computer
Buy some Artic Silver 5. It's some of the best compound you can use (and thermal paste goes by many names...). If the HSF does come with it, you can always choose to remove it to use the AS5 and if it doesn't, well you're already set. If it's your first build and the heatsink already has a thermal pad on the bottom, I would just use it to make sure it goes on smoothly.

I would make sure you buy some extra screws (namely a package that has the motherboard standoff screws. I've seen one computer case that didn't use them, but more than likely you'll need them if you don't want your computer to short itself. Sometimes the case will come with them, but if it's a cheap case there's a chance they won't.

[Pie]

I use Arctic Silver 5 myself. It's never failed. Just remember that you only need about a small pea-sized amount. You don't want it everywhere because Arctic Silver 5 IS conductive.

Most retail copies of Windows are only able to be installed on one PC. You can use any disc to install it, but after 30 days it will be unregistered and be unable to receive further updates.

That setup looks good as far as I can tell.

I've only seen built in standoffs in one case. It was an old E-Machine case. Your case should come with a hardware kit, but that's not always the case. So pick one up to make sure. Standoffs are small spacer screws that screw into your case to raise the mobo so it does not ground out. You then screw the mobo mounting screws into the standoffs. When you tighten them down, don't go more than 2 or 3 clicks. You'll feel the clicks with proper mobo mounting screws because they have ridges on the bottom of the head and the surface of the mobo will have little bumps.

[cobra96]

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/howtos/how_use_your_windows_7_upgrade_disk_fresh_pc?page= 0%2C1

this shows u how to do a fresh install with an upgrade disc...u have to mess with the registry...i wasnt aware of this...but there is a warning...

This is a known working solution to perform a fresh install using upgrade media, but let me warn you now, it may eventually get patched out. With this in mind, it’s probably best to make sure activating is the first thing you do before you hit up Windows Update if you're trying this on SP1 or SP2.

[mtuggle86]

I use Arctic Silver 5 myself. It's never failed. Just remember that you only need about a small pea-sized amount. You don't want it everywhere because Arctic Silver 5 IS conductive.

Most retail copies of Windows are only able to be installed on one PC. You can use any disc to install it, but after 30 days it will be unregistered and be unable to receive further updates.

That setup looks good as far as I can tell.

I've only seen built in standoffs in one case. It was an old E-Machine case. Your case should come with a hardware kit, but that's not always the case. So pick one up to make sure. Standoffs are small spacer screws that screw into your case to raise the mobo so it does not ground out. You then screw the mobo mounting screws into the standoffs. When you tighten them down, don't go more than 2 or 3 clicks. You'll feel the clicks with proper mobo mounting screws because they have ridges on the bottom of the head and the surface of the mobo will have little bumps.

So I can use his disk to install windows 7 on the new computer but after 30 days they just wont let me update windows 7. I really dont update my current system very often would this really be a major problem?
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[mtuggle86]

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/howtos/how_use_your_windows_7_upgrade_disk_fresh_pc?page= 0%2C1

this shows u how to do a fresh install with an upgrade disc...u have to mess with the registry...i wasnt aware of this...but there is a warning...

This is a known working solution to perform a fresh install using upgrade media, but let me warn you now, it may eventually get patched out. With this in mind, it?s probably best to make sure activating is the first thing you do before you hit up Windows Update if you're trying this on SP1 or SP2.

What would be the advantage of this is buying a upgrade disk cheaper and then I would get a legit full version of windows from it?
BTW thanks guys
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[cobra96]

it seems that way but honestly ive never done it so i couldnt tell ya...u can buy a full version of xp for 90 bucks and not worry about anything...i would only do the other if u really want windows 7

[mtuggle86]

it seems that way but honestly ive never done it so i couldnt tell ya...u can buy a full version of xp for 90 bucks and not worry about anything...i would only do the other if u really want windows 7

Well Ill try and install the windows 7 without the key and just not update it after 30 days if worse come to worse I can just buy XP later
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[cobra96]

very true...good luck with it...if u have any questions let me know

[mtuggle86]

Do you know the difference 32bit and 64bit?

Also the thermal gel I only need to apply a pea sized amount to the pack of the heatsink? Is there any other places where the thermal gel is used?
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[cobra96]

64bit handles more RAM than a 32bit...usually anything above 3GB RAM ur better off with a 64bit OS

as for the gel ive never used it...but im sure the CPU is the only place its used since its used to get rid of heat better...only other place would be the RAM but i doubt u could use it there

[gcountach]

So I can use his disk to install windows 7 on the new computer but after 30 days they just wont let me update windows 7. I really dont update my current system very often would this really be a major problem?
After 30 days without activation, Windows will not let you use it any longer til you update. Keep in mind you don't just need the CD but the CD-Key as well. TBH, you're best off just buying a copy of windows to safe yourself a lot of hassle. I'd get 64-bit windows 7 premium if you could with at least 2gigs but 4 would be ideal.


Do you know the difference 32bit and 64bit?

Also the thermal gel I only need to apply a pea sized amount to the pack of the heatsink? Is there any other places where the thermal gel is used?

x-bit is based on I believe the amount of trace wires in the address bus. 32-bit = 32 wires and 64 bit = 64 wires. There's a lot of technical explanation about what this does, but it simply can be put that you can use more ram and programs can GET more ram.

32-bit can only address (ask for) 4Gigs of ram. Keep in mind you can only send a 1 or a 0 down the wire (hot or not). So for the smallest amount, you send all 0's which is 0 and for the largest amount you'd send all 1. All 1's would be 2^32 = 4,294,967,296 or ~4gigs. Because of allocation of multiple hardware level items, windows files, etc., a 32-bit OS can only allocate about 3gigs of RAM when it's all said and done. 64 bit max is 2^64 = something in the terabyte range.

If you're getting Windows 7, I'd recommend trying to get the 64-bit version. It should be supported just as well as the 32-bit version and it gives you the advantage of always adding more than 3-4gigs if you want to make it last a little longer. If you're getting XP, avoid the 64-bit version. It's not very well supported.

As for other places thermal paste can be used.... CPU is about the only place you will need it. If you were upgrading the heatsink on your video card you could use it on the GPU, and if you were trying to fix a RROD 360 you could use it there, but other than CPU's and GPU's there's not much use for it.

Now if your Heatsink comes with a pad on the bottom, just use it. Artic Silver 5 is suppose to decrease the temperature of a CPU by as much as 5 degrees celsius and that's why I use it. However, for the novice builder, it is possible to screw up when using it. Thermal paste is very picky about how thick or thin you can put it, and you have to make sure air pockets don't form during the application. If the HSF has a pad, all you have to do is remove the plastic covering the pad and stick it on. No mess, near impossible to mess up.

Windows 7 64-bit OEM for $105 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7_oem-_-32-116-754-_-Product

EDIT: I noticed you were getting an eVGA video card. A good brand. Own a couple of them. Make sure you register that card though when you get it. Most eVGA cards come with a lifetime warranty, but only if you register within 30 days of purchase! Otherwise, I can't see anything obvious that would cause you much of a problem.

[Pie]

After 30 days without activation, Windows will not let you use it any longer til you update.

Not entirely true. When I first installed 7 I didn't have the money to buy a key. 30 days later, still didn't. I did not have a key until a couple weeks ago. I was well over 60 days though.

It still worked. It just didn't update. And it nagged me half to death. You can't run a full screen application for more than 30 minutes without a nag window popping up and forcing the full screen app to minimize. Also, it won't keep your desktop wallpaper. Kinda of a small feature to disable but, eh whatever.

Anyway, I got a key. Way worth what I payed for it. :D

[cobra96]

Damn g...ur gettin too technical even for me lol

[gcountach]

@Pie: Guess they've changed it quite a bit since XP. Use to be 30 days for home, 60 for pro and once you hit the mark it'd make you activate or it wouldn't load windows. Still, doesn't sound like it's too useful after you pass the activation deadline. Windows would be frustrating enough without all that.

[mtuggle86]

Hell yes hes got a retail edition that doesnt Need a key I lucked out And even better its Ultimate edition
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[Pie]

Sounds like you are all set then. If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.

[cobra96]

Hell yes hes got a retail edition that doesnt Need a key I lucked out And even better its Ultimate edition

good deal...let us know what happens

[mtuggle86]

It gets better my buddy at discount tire is giving me 2 335/35/17 nitto 555R Drag Radials for the SS for half off . BTW thanks for all the help guys
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[cobra96]

It gets better my buddy at discount tire is giving me 2 335/35/17 nitto 555R Drag Radials for the SS for half off . BTW thanks for all the help guys nice...loved my nittos ...miss my car...no problem and ur welcome

[Pie]

No problem, You're welcome.

[wcmich16]

i'll prolly need to upgrade before i can play the game.... my cpu has problems playing fallout 2. >.<
major fail! :( anyways, if everything goes right, i am getting paid soon and can afford a decent laptop! pawn shops FTW!

[cobra96]

Pawn shops charge too much...look on some electronics websites first...better deals and computers

[mtuggle86]

Hey guys I found this bundle I was thinking I may be able to save a few bucks by just going with it can you take a look and see if it would work I see its a pci e 2.0 but its cheaper anyways http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5516556&CatId=1844
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[cobra96]

Hey guys I found this bundle I was thinking I may be able to save a few bucks by just going with it can you take a look and see if it would work I see its a pci e 2.0 but its cheaper anyways http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5516556&CatId=1844

yeah u can save a few $'s by going with this setup...just remember that ur losing 50W of power...but it appears the 9500 actually uses less power than the 8600 so yeah go for it

[mtuggle86]

yeah u can save a few $'s by going with this setup...just remember that ur losing 50W of power...but it appears the 9500 actually uses less power than the 8600 so yeah go for it

Is the 9500 any better then the 8600 gt It said it was made by msi are they a cheaper brand?
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[cobra96]

i was wrong on the power consumption...but its only a 7W difference or so...they are pretty much identical cards except the 9500 has a few more features than the 8600...thats y i say go for it

[Pie]

nVidia cards come from lots of different companies. EVGA being i think the "Official" one. They are all pretty much the same unless you get into XFX and BFGTech where they overclock the cards from the factory. The difference in price for the same card really comes from the specs and/or cooling method.

[mtuggle86]

Hey guys Im looking a two different sets of ram and i cant tell any real difference between them can you take a look

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3228139&sku=C13-6082

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631346&sku=C13-6084
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[Pie]

Hey guys Im looking a two different sets of ram and i cant tell any real difference between them can you take a look

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3228139&sku=C13-6082

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631346&sku=C13-6084

Same specs, This One (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631346&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs) has a full heat spreader and a $25.00 rebate.

[mtuggle86]

Ok guys last thing I think im ordering today I found this HD monitor and to me it looks like a good deal just wanted to get your opinions on it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254045
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[Pie]

Ok guys last thing I think im ordering today I found this HD monitor and to me it looks like a good deal just wanted to get your opinions on it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254045

My mom bought one about a year ago in the 22" flavor. It's actually pretty nice when you have a GPU. On-board can't really take advantage of it. I plan on buying one once I have the cash. I would suggest stepping down to 22" though. Any bigger than that and you begin to run into resolution issues. They seem a bit fuzzy.

[mtuggle86]

I plan On running my 360 on it to so I really wanted to get the biggest monitor possible and this was on sale for the 159. What knid of issues would being 23' have just a bit fuzzy?
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[Pie]

The picture isn't as sharp because it's an odd screensize. Unless they've resolved that issue. If you are going to use it for 360, It would be fine though. 360 doesn't use a very high resolution at all.

[gcountach]

I plan On running my 360 on it to so I really wanted to get the biggest monitor possible and this was on sale for the 159. What knid of issues would being 23' have just a bit fuzzy?

I'm on a 23" right now, and it looks sharp to me: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009163 . Of course, it's out of stock.

Keep in mind that an LCD will look blurry if you don't run it in it's native resolution (1920x1080 aka 1080p), so as long as you can stand things running on your desktop at that resolution, you're fine. Also keep in mind that you will have to make sure all your games run at that resolution or they will look ugly. That means making sure your video card can run the newer games as that resolution.

Only thing I saw as a problem with it is that it has no DVI connector, though if your video card comes with a DVI-to-HDMI converter (my GTX260 did), shouldn't be a big deal. I'd just try to avoid the VGA connector if I were you. VGA is an analog system whereas HDMI/DVI is digital. Since the LCD is using a digital signal and the video card is creating a digital signal, it stands to reason that the overall quality will be better if you aren't converting.

[mtuggle86]

I'm on a 23" right now, and it looks sharp to me: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009163 . Of course, it's out of stock.

Keep in mind that an LCD will look blurry if you don't run it in it's native resolution (1920x1080 aka 1080p), so as long as you can stand things running on your desktop at that resolution, you're fine. Also keep in mind that you will have to make sure all your games run at that resolution or they will look ugly. That means making sure your video card can run the newer games as that resolution.

Only thing I saw as a problem with it is that it has no DVI connector, though if your video card comes with a DVI-to-HDMI converter (my GTX260 did), shouldn't be a big deal. I'd just try to avoid the VGA connector if I were you. VGA is an analog system whereas HDMI/DVI is digital. Since the LCD is using a digital signal and the video card is creating a digital signal, it stands to reason that the overall quality will be better if you aren't converting.

Ah i already ordered it :( oh well I will only be playing RTS games and MWO on this I hope the VGA will work ok for that heres that video card I ordered http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5516556&CatId=1844
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[cobra96]

from what i see u can just grab up a HDMI cable and hook it up so u wont be using VGA

[mtuggle86]

from what i see u can just grab up a HDMI cable and hook it up so u wont be using VGA

I was planning on using the hdmi hookup for my 360 do you know if they would happen to make splitters so I could hook up the PC and #60 using the same hdmi jack
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[cobra96]

not a splitter...a switch...but u would still need another cable

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5571645&CatId=3482

[mtuggle86]

not a splitter...a switch...but u would still need another cable

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5571645&CatId=3482

Screw that Ill cancel it and get one with a DVI
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[cobra96]

haha...hope u get it straightened out

[mtuggle86]

I think I found one that works out well http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4802994&CatId=4420
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[gcountach]

I think I found one that works out well http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4802994&CatId=4420

I can't let you get that. It's an inch bigger than mine. :p

Only problems I see with it is there's no way to adjust angle or height. Could require sitting on something to get to a proper viewing angle. Depends on your desk and chair. Also, it seems the speakers on it aren't very good (not that you should expect them to be), but I imagine they'll work if you need them to. Otherwise, it seems to have glowing reviews and the specs seem decent enough.

EDIT: Appears it can be angled, based on someone's review. Just very tough to get it to move. So, nvm that.

[mtuggle86]

Ok its between these two which one would you guys get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4802994&csid=ITD&body=MAIN
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[Pie]

Ok its between these two which one would you guys get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4802994&csid=ITD&body=MAIN

I would get the ASUS personally.

[gcountach]

Ok its between these two which one would you guys get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4802994&csid=ITD&body=MAIN

Tough call. While being an inch smaller, it would appear that the asus has a better contrast ratio and response time... however those are usually all half truths and full lies...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lcd-technicalities,762.html

So... hard to say. If you can assume the specs are comparable to one another, you should get the Asus. In fact, you should probably get it based off response times alone... yea, we'll just stick with that.

[mtuggle86]

Well I got the ASUS 23inch moniter it will be here tommarow along with the ram other then the ram the computer is together I hope I didnt make any mistakes while putting it together.
I used the arctic silver thermal paste on the PCU and added a 80mm and 120mm case fan so I think it should stay cool but we shall see thx for all the help btw guys
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[cobra96]

no problem...hope it works perfectly :D

[Pie]

Good stuff. Holler if you need anything.

[Matty]

One thing you could have checked for is heat issues, i know my HD LCD monitor is cooler than lukewarm and its usually on 10 hours + a day and it never changes. Never warm! So if you want circuitry to last, buy less heat emitting devices, thats what i check on products when im in bestbuy and futureshop, they're tv's and monitors are on as long as someones there

[gcountach]

Well I got the ASUS 23inch moniter it will be here tommarow along with the ram other then the ram the computer is together I hope I didnt make any mistakes while putting it together.
I used the arctic silver thermal paste on the PCU and added a 80mm and 120mm case fan so I think it should stay cool but we shall see thx for all the help btw guys

I wouldn't worry about putting it together wrong. Now adays, with all the safeguards built into electronics and keyed hardware so they can't be put in wrong, it's hard to do something wrong that causes any sort of permanent damage. Normally, worse case scenario is it just doesn't work. Just keep in mind that you shouldn't have to force anything and mind proper ESD protocols and you should be alright.

If you find it doesn't work, we'll be around. If you hit the button and nothing happens, it's alright. Can easily be you didn't hook up the LEDs/power button/etc. correctly or forgot little things like plugging the 4-pin power into the motherboard.... not that I have any experience with doing those things. :-S

[mtuggle86]

I wouldn't worry about putting it together wrong. Now adays, with all the safeguards built into electronics and keyed hardware so they can't be put in wrong, it's hard to do something wrong that causes any sort of permanent damage. Normally, worse case scenario is it just doesn't work. Just keep in mind that you shouldn't have to force anything and mind proper ESD protocols and you should be alright.

If you find it doesn't work, we'll be around. If you hit the button and nothing happens, it's alright. Can easily be you didn't hook up the LEDs/power button/etc. correctly or forgot little things like plugging the 4-pin power into the motherboard.... not that I have any experience with doing those things. :-S

The on/off reset and LED buttons could very well be hooked up wrong there reversible and they had no markings as to which was the correct way but I figured it those wouldnt cause any damage if hooked up wrong so I just went with my best guess
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[mtuggle86]

Hey guy are Im leaning towards ball bearing cooling fans is that a good choice or should I just go with sleeve bearing ones. Keep in mind I run my computers 24/7 alot of times
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[cobra96]

balls bearings are better and last longer

[Pie]

The power/LED wires usually plug in so that the smooth side/printed side faces away from the mobo. You just have to make sure the -/+ are on the right posts.

[mtuggle86]

I ending up going with antec double ball bearing fans the work great btw. I installed the windows ultimate on the system and it runs great I just need to finish installing the rest of the drivers and Ill be done :) thx guys for all the help BTW will motor city offline run on windows 7? and is it anygood?
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[Pie]

I ending up going with antec double ball bearing fans the work great btw. I installed the windows ultimate on the system and it runs great I just need to finish installing the rest of the drivers and Ill be done :) thx guys for all the help BTW will motor city offline run on windows 7? and is it anygood?

It crashed at the menu for me no matter what I did.

[Matty]

SO ur saying i have to go back to XP?

[cobra96]

I ending up going with antec double ball bearing fans the work great btw. I installed the windows ultimate on the system and it runs great I just need to finish installing the rest of the drivers and Ill be done :) thx guys for all the help BTW will motor city offline run on windows 7? and is it anygood?

awesome...glad it all works great for u...andur welcome...now hopefully i can get my system up and going here soon

[Pie]

SO ur saying i have to go back to XP? That was when I was running XP and 7. It failed on both. Didn't like my GPU for some reason.

[mtuggle86]

That was when I was running XP and 7. It failed on both. Didn't like my GPU for some reason.

Ill try to run it on 7 in a few days ill give you guys an update
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[mtuggle86]

Ok guys lol my grandmother wanted a new computer so she took the one I just built for my cost on it so it is yet again time for me to build another PC this time I think Ill go bigger heres my build that I have picked out please look it over and see what you guys think

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/wishlist/wishlist.asp?WishId=E7EE078E-43EF-432D-8B46-26ADBAFDB64D&Desc=Gaming%20computer
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[Matty]

only 512 DDR2 for the GPU??

[mtuggle86]

only 512 DDR2 for the GPU??

64 bucks after rebate is hard to beat
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[cobra96]

512 is good for machines runnin on not so high resolutions...but if u got fourty extra in ur pocket then pick up the gts 250...but if not then the 9600 gt will do fine

[mtuggle86]

512 is good for machines runnin on not so high resolutions...but if u got fourty extra in ur pocket then pick up the gts 250...but if not then the 9600 gt will do fine

Ill take a look at it I ended up spending a few bucks extra already on a Phenom II x2 555 Black Edition so I may have to cheap out right now on the video card I think that 9600gt is overclocked though
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[mtuggle86]

Hey cobra Im running a 23inch mon how good do you think I can push the resolution up on that 9600gt before I run into issues Im thinking it might be better to send it back and get a 9800gt
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[mtuggle86]

I just said screw it and ordered this one http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5677179&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs
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[cobra96]

that 250 should do everything u need and then some...its the same card i was gonna pick up when i build my system

[mtuggle86]

that 250 should do everything u need and then some...its the same card i was gonna pick up when i build my system

I was hoping it would it was between that and the hd 4850 that 250 gts is underclocked but if I ever needed more out of it I could just put it up to the standard gts clock
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[cobra96]

yeah and they overclock pretty well too...here is a link to help u out just in case http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/bfg_gts250_oc/

u could actually have gotten an overclocked 250 for around the same price but not a big deal since u can do it urself

[mtuggle86]

wha kind would you have got for 99 bucks? I looked at the galaxy one but it had so so reviews other then that I didnt see any others for around that price. The only thing I dont like about the evga one is its underclocked and I really dont know why and the cooling doesnt look like its the best
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[cobra96]

honestly i wouldnt worry myself with it...the card and manufacturer u chose is good...that fan should do just fine...i believe that nvidia gives u free software that allows u to overclock ur card...its not hard to do at all and i honestly doubt u will need to do it unless u want to play games like crysis and other graphic intensive games...u should be playing MWO on high settings with this card even with it underclocked

[gcountach]

wha kind would you have got for 99 bucks? I looked at the galaxy one but it had so so reviews other then that I didnt see any others for around that price. The only thing I dont like about the evga one is its underclocked and I really dont know why and the cooling doesnt look like its the best

Like I said before.... eVGA has lifetime replacement warranties on their card. I'm pretty sure all of them.

[mtuggle86]

Like I said before.... eVGA has lifetime replacement warranties on their card. I'm pretty sure all of them.

Ya most of them they do but that one only has a 2 year warranty but as long as its a well made card it should last much longer I would think. I really wouldnt overclock it I just would like to step it up to the standard 738mhz that the 250 gts is supposed to be stock I just dont see why they dropped it to 675?
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[cobra96]

probably just so it wouldnt use as much power...which in turn would cause it to last a bit longer theoretically...im not sure how much power u save from underclocking it but i wouldnt think it would be much...so when u get it then just bump it up if u want

[mtuggle86]

Ya ill just bump it up I should have got this one though If I was sure It would fit in my case I would get it and just send the evga back but it looks big :( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127478
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[cobra96]

yeah it would have taken up 2 expansion slots...still not to worry though

[mtuggle86]

I changed my mind yet again lol I decide just to go with an ati I didnt want to end up having to change the video card in a year so I just went for a a 5770 that supports dx11 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5599121&CatId=3669
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[cobra96]

lol ur worse than a woman...well i hope u enjoy it...very nice card and the DX11 doesnt hurt either...u would have still been able to play with the DX10 cards...but if u got the cash go for it :D

[mtuggle86]

lol ur worse than a woman...well i hope u enjoy it...very nice card and the DX11 doesnt hurt either...u would have still been able to play with the DX10 cards...but if u got the cash go for it :D

ya I know lol I think the 1gb ram will get used running my moniter on 1920res. I felt I could use this card for the next 2-3 because its a nice step up from the 250 gts and it has dx11 support Ill benchmark it against the 250 gts so Ill let you know how it does.
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[cobra96]

Sounds good...let me know how it turns out